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When life keeps flying by, we often have a choice to make — stay where we are at or continue to grow with it. Kaitlyn Kuhl has seen many life changes since her last interview on Work-At-Home Heroes, including a growing family, moving to a new country, and pursuing new dreams.
Anxiety about the past — and the future! — can take over and living in the present can feel impossible, even when you’re living the work-from-home dream, which is what Kuhl bravely discusses with Caitlin today.
If you’re not sure how to find the courage to take the next step forward in life, you will want to listen to this interview!
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Intro: This is the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. Your host, Caitlin Pyle, digs deep with people from all over the world who make money from home. Get ready to wake up to a world of possibility for freedom, flexibility, and a life you’ll love.
Caitlin Pyle: Well, hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. We are back, and we’ve decided to mix it up and bring you a series of 10 episodes each with a different topic, all related to working at home, as usual. But this series is called, “Where are they now?” where, as you know, we’ve been reinterviewing previously featured guests we’ve had on the show just to see where they are now and hear their journey since we last spoke. You’ll find a link to the previous interview in the show notes. So join us now as we follow up with our very first Work-At-Home Heroes guest from the first season, Kaitlyn Kuhl. Welcome back to the show, Kaitlyn.
Kaitlyn Kuhl: Thank you. I’m so happy to be back.
Caitlin: The last time we talked, you were in Bali, which we didn’t know, we think it’s three years ago. We weren’t quite sure, but it’s been a while. We know that since you were first on the show, and we’re excited to have you back. And you were in Bali at that time and now you’re in Sri Lanka. And you just told me before we started recording, which got me really excited, that you have seven cats, so —
Kaitlyn: I do. I have seven cats and a dog.
Caitlin: And how do they help you in your work at home sort of tyranny?
Kaitlyn: They mostly don’t, but they keep me on my toes. That is for sure.
Caitlin: Yes. They make sure you take breaks, I’m guessing. And of course emotional support is there whenever you need it, which is a beautiful thing.
Kaitlyn: Yes, the cats, emotional support. The dog is way more structure in my life, which I definitely needed. So very thankful for that.
Caitlin: Well listen, I wanted to talk a little bit about, just to give us a little snapshot because I know, but the guests listening may have been new to the show or they haven’t listened. I recommend totally hitting pause on this, if you’re listening at home now and you haven’t listened to Kaitlyn’s first episode, I totally recommend putting us on pause and coming back to it after you listened to the first episode. The link, it’s on iTunes, we haven’t taken any of those episodes down. You should be able to find it. We’ve also got a link on the show notes page as well. Workathomeschool.com/podcast is where you can find that. I want to know — just give us a synopsis of where you were last time you were on the show.
Kaitlyn: I was teaching English online, which I’m still doing, but I was living in Bali, and my boyfriend at the time, who is now my husband, we were living there and we were doing visa runs every month, and I was working a lot. And even though it’s only been three years, we were a lot younger it seems. And just kind of being a little more carefree in our lives. I was just teaching English and traveling a lot and having, I guess, a good time. I’m still teaching English now, but life has definitely changed significantly since then.
Caitlin: Wow. In what ways, what ways has it changed for you?
Kaitlyn: The biggest thing for us in general is that we always had these really big ideas that we wanted to accomplish, but we never really created a roadmap to get there. And so now we’ve actually kind of taken life a little bit more seriously. Now that we’re a little older and we’re married, and we have seven cats and a dog, we just have a lot more responsibility. We’ve actually taken time to sit down and create roadmaps to things that we want to do, so that we just didn’t feel like we were wasting our time. So I think that’s been the biggest change in our life.
Caitlin: That’s amazing. And has that been a challenge, sitting down with your partner, your husband now?
Kaitlyn: It’s so hard.
Caitlin: I bet, I realize I completely forgot to read your bio. That just shows you where my head is. I just got back from my first, at this time recording, my first camping trip. And this is my first got-to-be-at-work thing is recording this podcast, and I’m having a hard time getting back into the swing of things. But I realized I forgot to read your bio. And I saw that you had taught over 20,000 English classes, but you want to move on because a lot has changed and you want to take life more seriously now. I can imagine that sitting down with your husband and creating a roadmap for something that you both want to do, but you probably have completely different ideas on how to get there. What was that like? I imagine that, completely a lot of anxiety with that, I feel anxiety just thinking about having to do that with my partner, I know.
Kaitlyn: It, definitely, because our minds are so different in the way that they work. And so for me, I need to write out step by step how I’m going to do something, especially something I’ve never done before. Even though that’s not the way he works, for my sake, we sat down and just kind of wrote things out, which was for me to see it visually is very helpful and it makes me feel like I can tackle it. Whereas before I always felt like I wasn’t able to do it because I couldn’t visualize how to get there. So it’s been really nice to have that, to actually see it on paper and be able to see exactly what we need to do. But it’s not easy to find the time when we’re both in the head space to talk about those things. That’s the biggest challenge is just finding the time to do it. But then once we’re in the swing of it, it’s a bit easier. And I make lists all the time and I’m always jotting things down, and it doesn’t have to be so formal where we’re like, okay, we’re going to sit down for an hour and discuss. But we might just have little conversations throughout the week about how we’re progressing and where our head’s at. And that’s been really helpful.
Caitlin: That’s great. And it’s good that you guys can both be flexible, because sometimes the anxiety is higher when you have a dedicated set aside time. And if you’re not, you can never really know when you’re going to be in the head space to talk about things like that. Where it’s going take a lot of concentration to stay on topic, and to not let tempers flare, if you feel like you’re not being heard or you’re disagreeing on something and you maybe are having a hard time seeing things the way your partner sees it, or vice versa. It can be a source of a lot of tension. So let’s get specific. Where do you guys want to go? And how have those conversations been going?
Kaitlyn: One of the biggest things we’ve been talking about for a while is moving out of Asia, but it’s really hard because we have different passports and we both work for ourselves. So just the process of moving has been quite challenging. Also just financially. We were quite irresponsible with money for a while. I take a lot of the responsibility for it, but for me, I had to own up to the fact that I spent a lot of money that I shouldn’t have spent. And that took a while for me to kind of process and just realizing, I needed to find a new way to manage my money and be more responsible. So that’s been really difficult. And just coming to terms with how we’re going to be able to move financially, and just we have seven cats and a dog. So that takes a lot of logistics as well. And we just have a lot of stuff to move. And so that’s been the biggest thing we’ve been focusing on. And then we started a record label back when we were living in Bali, and we had all of these ideas for it, but then life got really chaotic and we just kind of lost what we were doing with it. So we’re coming back around to it, and we’re really getting things up and running. So that’s been a challenge, because my husband is the creative one and I’m the business one. We’re kind of working together to just figure it out as we go.
Caitlin: And you guys are both growing as a result of that, which let’s face it, that growth is more valuable than any money you guys can make, separate or together. I think that’s a good thing to be working through that together. Where’s he from?
Kaitlyn: He’s from Sri Lanka. So we’re back living in Sri Lanka now.
Caitlin: Oh, very cool. Yeah. I was wondering how you guys are able to live there, but if you’re married, then that makes a lot of sense. That’s really cool. And I can’t believe you’ve taught over 20,000 — How long are each of the classes?
Kaitlyn: Most of the classes are 25 minutes, but some of them with the older and more advanced students are 15 minutes.
Caitlin: That really, it’s still super impressive. Because that’s showing up 20,000 times at a certain time, you got some structure there I think.
Kaitlyn: There’s definitely structure, but it’s one of those jobs where like, I mean I would honestly call it an addiction, because you can open up your schedule. And because I’ve been doing it for so long, if I open something up, it’s going to get booked. When you see those bookings, you just see money, right? But then after a while, I mean this past summer, normally in the summers, I was working 90 hours a week.
Caitlin: Wow girl.
Kaitlyn: Yeah, it was a lot. But this past summer I decided that I was going to take out at least three hours Monday through Friday, so that I could have a break in the day and I could go to the gym or do something that I like to do so that it wasn’t just work all of the time. And I’ve been slowly cutting back how much I’m teaching, so that I can transition into other projects.
Caitlin: Tell me about those other projects. In your application to be back on the show, which isn’t really so much an application process — We just wanted to do our thing — you mentioned that you were wanting to write more, and you want to start your own online business and working, you’re opening a brick and mortar business, a physical business in Columbo where you guys are at in Sri Lanka, so a lot of stuff going on.
Kaitlyn: So yeah, the first thing that I’m doing is the record label. So I’m doing that with my husband, and I’m doing more of the back end. So finances and marketing and the website and those types of things. But then I’ve always wanted to start my own online platform. And for a while, I just, I knew I didn’t want to write about traveling because I love traveling, but it’s not my whole passion. And I think over the last couple of years of just growing into my later twenties and kind of figuring out where my head is at, I really found what I am passionate about. My background is in politics. I always knew that was something that I wanted to focus on, but I wasn’t really sure how to make politics exciting for people who don’t like politics.
Caitlin: That would be me. I don’t know if that’s — I’m not really sure.
Kaitlyn: I’m so obsessed with politics and not just government, but just in a sense, I guess, community as well. And I think if people had a better understanding of how we can come together as a community and just a local level, what you could do on maybe a state level or a national level in terms of getting things done. So I’ve taken some time to really focus on where my passions lie and what I have to offer that maybe someone else doesn’t have to offer. Rather than just, oh, I traveled to this place and these are the things I did. And I don’t want that to be my focus.
Caitlin: I think that’s really smart. And I think it’s great that you’re making that transition away, and you’re clearly maturing as you get older. And one of these days I’ll do that. No, I’m in that right now. And so I can identify a whole lot with the anxiety of it, and just making those changes. And changes are so hard —
Kaitlyn: They’re really difficult.
Caitlin: I’m trying to sell my house that I spent two years designing and building and putting a ton of money into it. Now I’m just like, this is not what I want. And it’s hard to come to the decision to make the change to sell it. But learning to let go is so important, and letting go of certain things that aren’t serving you anymore and little dreams that you thought were worth chasing, and you find out they’re not. And that’s how you learn lessons. You can hear it all day long from people on podcasts and whatnot.
Kaitlyn: It’s so true.
Caitlin: I mean until you do it, you don’t know.
Kaitlyn: Exactly this transition that I’m in right now. I was so scared for it to happen, because at the beginning I felt like I was losing a piece of who I was. I just started noticing that maybe some of my friendships or other relationships with people in my life just were not doing me any service anymore. And we just weren’t in the same place. And it caused me to really reevaluate everything in my life, and realize that it’s okay to let go of my younger self and transition into more of a serious adult. And do different things than what I was doing, because ultimately it just makes you grow as a person. And it’s so beneficial. But getting to that point was very challenging.
Caitlin: What were some things that were most difficult to let go of for you?
Kaitlyn: I think just for me, I’ve always been very self conscious of the way that I’m viewed. And the way that I grew up was all about the only thing that defines your success was how much money you make. And so I really had to —
Caitlin: Oh girl.
Caitlin: Me too.
Kaitlyn: I really had to deconstruct where my worth is and what makes me successful based on my own constructs, and not the constructs of society or how I was raised. And that was extremely difficult.
Caitlin: It is kind of gross to think about how much value is placed on how much money you make. And I caught myself, as my income has grown over the years, thinking somehow I must be smarter than the average person, but that’s not true. I meet so many people every day that are way smarter than me, and they make way less money to me. It’s no correlation what so… I mean there’s correspondence, but no correlation or whatever it is, you know what I’m saying. And there’s so much that I still don’t know. And I think that a true measure of someone’s wisdom is, is their ability to admit what they don’t know and that they don’t know everything, and it’s really hard to do. And there’s really no way to learn that until you run into circumstances that prove to you that you don’t have it all figured out, and then you have to let go. And it’s really about control too. I think as women, we struggle with this more feeling like we don’t have that roadmap to know how to get to where we want to go. And letting that fear stop us, letting us not realize okay, if something as simple as, I want to lose 10 pounds. And it feels so hard because you’ve done it before maybe, or even learning to work at home. A lot of you listening to this may be like, I don’t know where to start or what to do. But when you start realizing that everybody starts that way and it’s just one step after another, you do learn. And even if you feel like you’re moving at a snail’s pace, I call it becoming the grass. You don’t realize that grass is growing until you can’t find your front door once you stop mowing your lawn, right?
Kaitlyn: It’s so true.
Caitlin: And so I think our own growth is like that. And I definitely can look back at myself 10 years ago. And in many ways I see that there’s areas that have stayed the same that I haven’t grown in. But there’s ways that I have, and life is harder now with that knowledge. But whoa, when they say life is hard growing up and they tell us that life’s not fair, all these things and you want to deny it. And I think in our industry, especially there’s a lot of scams in the work-at-home world, which we talk about sometimes with people that are trying to pull you in to work at home and they tell you all these things, that it’s going to be easy. It’s going to be this going, it’s going to be that. Or we’re just going to chill all day in our pajamas. Pulling at that younger version of ourselves that just wants to chill and not work and blah, blah, blah. And those days are great. But then we go nuts and we have nothing else to do. Laying on the beach is great for a day or two. But then after awhile you get itching, whether it’s from sunburn or just stir craziness, and you have to deviate your mind.
Kaitlyn: Do something. I’m the same way; I get so bored, so fast. I have a relaxation day and halfway through the day, I’m like, okay, I need to do something because I’m bored.
Caitlin: That’s when I would work out more or organize something, or something to help me feel productive. I think sometimes we pull our self worth as women, especially, and I can speak from a woman’s perspective because I am one, I don’t really have a man’s perspective. But it’s a lot, and we pull our self worth from how productive we are or how we look, in addition to how much money are we making. And a lot of moms listening might feel that way like, “Oh, I’m just a mom,” but you have so many skills as a mom. And you can apply those skills to do many things. I don’t have kids, but I have a lot of friends who do, and a lot of them were working at home. And so they’re proof that, if I choose to do that in the future, that I don’t have to worry about how it works, because I have friends who can help me and they’re doing it. And they have friends that were helping them, and it takes a village to raise ourselves.
Kaitlyn: It does.
Caitlin: And letting other people in — I think is so important. It definitely sounds like you have grown so much. And are you traveling less now?
Kaitlyn: We just went to India for a few days to see some friends, but we’ve actually been doing more traveling within Sri Lanka just because we have literally everything here. I mean, you can go a few hours. You can be in the mountains or you can be at a national park or you can be at the beach. We still do quite a bit around the country, but we don’t leave as often, just because it’s kind of a hassle with all of the animals. And we love them so much; it’s hard to leave.
Caitlin: Are there services in Sri Lanka like there are here where you can book a sitter through your phone?
Kaitlyn: What? You can book a sitter through your phone?
Caitlin: Yes. Yes. So in the US, and my US listeners are like, yeah, with me. It’s an app called Rover and it’s more for dogs than for cats, but I’m sure that things exist for cats. And there’s house sitting apps where you can book house sitters to come stay at your place for basically free or very little money, because they want to come to Sri Lanka, or they want to come or whatever. But you can actually have house sitters come stay at your house, and their payment is being able to stay at your place and take care of cats and dogs. And it’s definitely something worth looking into.
Kaitlyn: Yeah. So I have the trusted house sitters, but that’s more for international. It’s the same concept, but there’s nothing locally. But for our dog we have a friend who does a whole, she does daycare and boarding and training. So the dog is really easy just to take her there. And it’s a good place for her to stay. And then the cats, we can leave them for like five days without anyone. If we’re going to be longer than that we just have a family member stay at the house. So it’s not too bad, but just coordinating it. And it’s just another step.
Caitlin: I think cats — they’ve got friends. They’re not as bad as if there’s one cat and he’s isolated, and they get lonely.
Kaitlyn: They’re also really resourceful. I leave out a ton of food and water, but if they were to ever run out, they could easily claw open another bag. I have 200 kilos of cat food stockpiled. So they could just rip open a bag.
Caitlin: Yeah. They’d be like, let’s do this guys. Whatever we find, it’s great. Cats are team players.
Kaitlyn: They would be so okay. They can drink water from the toilets. They’re fine.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. That’s true. I used to cat sit for somebody who would just like, not even leave out water and just leave the toilet lid open. Really? But it works. It works. So your life is way more settled down now. You got married. You still travel more on Sri Lanka. I think that’s wise. When did you acquire these seven cats?
Kaitlyn: Well, we rescued one of them in Bali, and we actually brought him over here. And then, yeah, my husband’s parents had a stray cat who was living in and out of their house. I would always feed her and be friendly when we were visiting. But then when we came back permanently, I said, we’ll take her in and we’ll get her cleaned up and fixed and vaccinated and everything. And when we came back, she was pregnant, and she a week later had her kittens. So then we had her plus the three kittens. What’s that? That’s now five. And then we acquired another cat around the same time, because he needed a place to stay for a few months while the person who rescued him was traveling. But then when she came back to pick them up, there were some issues. So we ended up keeping him. I also feed seven to 10 cats outside my house, which now makes it sound really crazy. But I have a little gang of street cats that I feed as well. And one day, one kind of just wandered in my house and didn’t leave.
Caitlin: That is hilarious Kaitlyn. You’re a crazy cat lady, Kaitlyn.
Kaitlyn: I mean actually, it’s so true. But I really try to do my parts with the spaying and neutering the cats that I can, so that they’re not multiplying and creating a bigger issue, because I think it’s really important.
Caitlin: In your application, I love what you’d said about and how you deal with fear and how you don’t give it power. Can you speak to that a little bit? Because I totally feel you. I have so much anxiety and pretty much everything I do these days, my life just doesn’t look like I thought it would at this point, after a divorce and —
Kaitlyn: I completely agree. My whole life I was told, oh, by 25, everything will be figured out for you. You will have your dream job and you’ll be making a lot of money and you will be settled down. And when I turned 25, I was like, what is happening in my life? Everything is so chaotic. And then I turned 26 and everything was still chaotic. And I was like, what’s happening? I don’t know. And after that I turned 27 and I had this epiphany, and I was like, I need to get out of my head about all of these things that some fairy godmother is going to come and make everything perfect. That’s just not how life works. I’ve basically been lied to my whole life.
Caitlin: Yes we all have.
Kaitlyn: Yeah. And it was just coming to terms with, like I said before, kind of shedding myself of my younger twenties and growing into my older twenties, and realizing I have always dealt with anxiety and some really bad anxiety. But I had to force myself to realize that it’s never going to go away. It might get better, but it’s never going to go away. And the more that I just acknowledged that it’s there and let it pass, the easier that it is than just fighting it or hiding from it. Because when you hide from it, you just give it the power. I didn’t want that anymore. And also from teaching, there were some changes where the hours were reduced, and I was going to be making less money than I was used to making. And just kind of coming to terms with our financial situation. And it was like this huge, big bubble just burst. And I was basically forced to deal with everything that I had built up in my head. I also just sort of started supporting women entrepreneurs, and reading about their progress and what they’ve been through. And it just helps me see, I’m not alone in the way that I’m feeling, especially being fearful about certain things or taking the leap of starting something new or branching out on my own. It definitely takes courage, but it’s just something that I had to push myself to do or else it was never going to happen. And I just kept thinking if I don’t start today, tomorrow is one more day behind that I’m going to be. I have to start. If I don’t start, I’m still going to be at the starting line. And if I just start today, then I will at least be one day past the starting line. And that was just the way that I shaped my mentality around it. Even like you said before, if you’re moving at a snail’s pace, you’re still moving.
Caitlin: Even if you can’t tell, you’ll be able to step back one of these days and see that slimy trail behind you because you’re moving. And it might be kind of gross. It might be kind of sticky, but it’s still a trail and you blazed it yourself. And I think that I love the idea you had, that you dropped in the notes here, that when you have a really good positive thought that you write it down on the post it note and stick it on your desk. Then you can see it every day as a memory of hey, I do have positive thoughts from time to time as a worry wart. I think I should start doing that, because I always think I’ve written some of my notes in my phone and whatnot, but I think if I start writing them down, I can see them. Even if I look at them one day when I’m particularly anxious having a bad day and I might talk myself out of ever having had that thought, and I might roll my eyes at it. And I think surrounding yourself with that positivity, you kind of retrain your brain. And even if you’re thinking things that you might not believe are true, you’re still opening up your mind to that possibility. And instead of just focusing on the things that could happen, that aren’t happening, there’s no evidence of them happening. That’s called irrational fear, and I deal with that a lot. Realizing it’s irrational, because it never feels irrational when you’re in it, does it?
Kaitlyn: So true, but even when you have a negative thought, it’s okay because they’re normal, right? Nobody goes through life with only positivity. I try to think when I’m really anxious or when I do have a really bad thought, I try to think the source of it, what is causing me to feel that way. If I’m able to find the source, it actually brings me so much comfort to know oh, this is why I’m feeling this way. And if I did X, Y, and Z, then I wouldn’t have that feeling anymore. And instead of just dwelling on what the thought is, actually trying to decipher the thought, rather than just saying, oh I’m sad today. Or I want to kill everyone. I’m so angry. Instead of just having those thoughts, just finding out where they’re coming from has been helpful.
Caitlin: Do you have any particular common sources where your negative thoughts stem from?
Kaitlyn: I think I do not live in the present, which is something that I —
Caitlin: Girl, me too.
Kaitlyn: Yeah. I’m really trying to work on that, because a lot of my fears were coming from… I guess I was drawing on the past and the future at the same time. I was so anxious about the future and how things were going to play out and what was going to happen. And I couldn’t know the answer to any of those things if I wasn’t making any progress or doing anything in those sectors of my life. So it was so useless to be worrying about them. I was spending time worrying rather than being productive. I just had to basically shake myself and be like, stop thinking about these things because you’re wasting your time. It’s not worth it. I was anxious about the past too, because I felt like things were changing. And even though things were changing for the better, I was still scared to leave the comfort behind of who I had previously been. And I think it can be scary when you realize you’re changing, but maybe not everyone else around you is changing. And realizing that you might lose some people in the process. So I think those are the two biggest sources of anxiety for me.
Caitlin: But not living in the preset is huge. I think women struggle with that a lot more than men, and children don’t struggle with it at all. Maybe when they get to age 10, 11, depending on how much homework kids got these days, and whatever school people are attending. But I started telling myself and it doesn’t always work, but I’m new at it. I’ve been telling myself that there’s no joy in the past or the future. It’s only in the present, and there’s no progress in the future. It’s only in the present, you’re making progress that you can then look back on. And I can totally relate to thinking about maybe poor decisions that I made in the past, and times when I thought I had it all figured out and how wrong I was. And thinking about that and worrying about how those decisions might affect my future, and how it could have been different if I had done this in the past. And just that cycle, I call it a shame cycle because when we’re worrying about the past. I think it’s called shame or guilt. And then we’re worrying about the future — that’s anxiety, and when they happen at the same time, that’s a spiral. Where you’re just going back and forth around and around, and you’re not getting anywhere and you’re stuck in it. And that’s terrifying. So you feel like you can’t get out. And so you feel like you’re in your mind. And I actually got diagnosed with panic disorder, because it got so bad that I felt like I was in my mind running around in circles, trying to find a doorway to get out. And I just couldn’t. And I still get in those situations from time to time, and I can exercise my way out of it. I can not think my way out of it. And that’s the whole thing is that you can’t, you have to let go. You have to let go, let God and let the universe or whatever, and that’s it. And it’s so hard to do because that is not what we’re taught as an effective method to getting on in life. It’s all about following the rules and going to school and working at a desk job, and doing things these ways that are not serving so many more of us, especially in our age group. I’m in my early thirties. So not too far ahead of you, but definitely in the same boat in knowing that, I don’t want that lifestyle. And when you’re changing and doing things differently than the people around you, that can be really scary too, because you’re wondering, am I doing things wrong? Am I not seeing things the right way, am I not plugging into the matrix system, that it seems like everybody else is on.
But Kaitlyn, we’re out of time. I wanted to say, thank you again so much for joining us back on Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. We’re going to tag you just like last time in the Work-At-Home Heroes groups, so our listeners can come and talk with you, ask you questions about the episode. And of course, you guys can visit the show notes and whatnot. Where can people find you outside Facebook?
Kaitlyn: You can email me at [email protected] Do you want me to spell it, or do you want to just include it in the show notes?
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. You guys can find her. We’ll put a link in Facebook. I think most of our listeners are in the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook group, and if you’re not, you guys got to get in there. By the way, you guys listening, you can get the first five chapters of my book Work at Home for free, by going to workathomeschool.com/ book. And if you’ve been listening to the show for a while and you like it and you want to follow it, please leave us a review. You can do that on iTunes or really any of your preferred podcast platforms. It’s really going to help us; these reviews will help us reach more people, and bring everyone more great content like this amazing followup interview with Kaitlyn. Thank you again so much for being on the show Kaitlyn, it’s been a pleasure.
Kaitlyn: Thank you for having me.