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Rick August, PhD, grew his business from $2k to over $5K per month in the short 2 years since his last interview with Caitlin.
Thinking he had reached his max potential, August took 4 months off to let his YouTube channel make passive income for him. After that he jumped back in and grew his website to now provide online driver education to new, existing, and commercial driver’s license drivers.
August had to overcome some false mindsets he had about success and money to grow his business to where it is now — which is what he wants to share with you today in the first episode of season two!
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Intro: This is the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. Your host Caitlin Pyle digs deep with people from all over the world who make money from home. Get ready to wake up to a world of possibility for freedom, flexibility, and a life you love.
Caitlin: Well, hi everybody. Welcome back to season two, finally, of the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. I am your host, Caitlin Pyle, and I am bringing back some of our — since it’s been about two years, a year and a half maybe since I recorded the last episode of the show. We thought — we being me and the team that I work with over at Work-At-Home School and Proofread Anywhere, BCP media, all the stuff that I am running — that it’d be really cool to bring back some of the guests from season one and see how they’re doing because when we originally started the show, the point was to bring on folks that had been working from home, for between six months to two years. So somebody who’s just new in their journey and somebody who is making around $4,000 or less per month, which is what most people want and need to live a good comfortable life, get their bills paid and regular income situations. That’s where Rick was when he was on the show last. And so I brought him back on. He has a PhD so he’s Dr. Rick. And he is the founder of Smart Drive Test. It’s a company that provides quality online driver education to new, existing, and the commercial driver’s license drivers. The training both helps you stay safe on the road and prepares drivers to pass the road test the very first time, and he’s been working from home now for three years, earning about 5k, sometimes 2k depending, wait no, I’m reading that wrong. I’ve got my notes in front of me as usual ’cause I like to be prepared. And he’s doing 5k a month now, whereas back in 2017 when he came on the last time, the first time, Rick, you were doing about 2k. So you’ve more than doubled your income in a year and a half; that’s incredible. Welcome back to the show, Rick.
Rick: Thank you so much, Caitlin. It’s great to be back. It’s hard to believe that it’s been almost exactly two years since we last spoke. It’s been an incredible journey.
Caitlin: And you had an online — so I wanna encourage you guys listening at home to listen to the previous episode. Put this one on pause, go listen to Rick’s first episode of Work-At-Home Heroes, and then come back and listen to this one. And we talked about your YouTube channel I remember. And so now you’ve got this whole online business built around that YouTube channel, which is what you wanted to do the last time we talked, is that right?
Caitlin: That’s amazing.
Rick: And actually, the last time we talked, I had 30,000 subscribers on my YouTube account. And there’s a funny video of me out beside my car dancing. I was so excited about 30,000 subscribers, and now I’m just about to tip over 140,000 subscribers so–
Caitlin: Oh, my gosh. That’s incredible. Congratulations.
Rick: Yeah, the YouTube channel is doing really well, which is interesting because, you know, as I mentioned in the last podcast, I was saying to a really good friend of mine, you know, one of my videos, I can remember which one it was. I said, “Nobody will ever watch this.” And you know, I was completely wrong. And we talked about this last time about being of service. And that’s what I’m doing. That’s what you’re doing. And because we’re being of service, we’re helping people — they keep coming and the business continues to grow, and it continues to be successful.
Caitlin: It takes on a life of its own in a way because, and that’s what I like to call the ripple effect. It’s, you’re starting with something and it slowly ripples out. And that ripple turns into more ripples. And that’s what’s great about the internet and your YouTube channel especially as you create these videos one time and they create this library of content for your subscribers and they’re all now funneling back to your website, which is what you’re focusing on right now. It’s ranking your website and selling your online courses and services that you have beyond your YouTube Channel, which you didn’t have two years ago, did you?
Rick: I did have the website, but I just wasn’t focusing on it as much. Now I’m really trying to rank my website. One of the things I’m doing right now is building a tool. And if you wanna learn, you know, Google is probably the best at making tools that allow, give free services to people. And then they sell their advertising from that. And it’s a similar, you can take a lesson from that to build a website, or building a tool that gives people something. For me, for example, my tool is, are you ready to pass a road test? And then they can get a measure of whether they are ready or not, or skills that need to be improved. And that just keeps more people on my website and it keeps them engaged, and then it ranks higher in Google, right? All of that improves your business, improves your reach, increases your ability to help people and service people. So now I’ve built the YouTube channel. The YouTube channel is more or less self-sustaining, and then I’m trying to drive people to a website to sell them more courses and build the business, build the revenue in the business. That’s how it’s moving forward. And it’s really great. And I mean, the other thing that’s working really well for me is, motivational pieces. Trying to do that, trying to get people motivated, trying keep people positive, because, you know, it’s, that’s what the world needs. The world needs more positive people because it’s unfortunate that there’s a lot of stuff in the world that’s not positive. It’s not fulfilling. It’s not moving you forward and moving other people forward because people want to be attracted to positive energy. That’s the other piece that I’m trying to do, is that teaching motivational piece that is really great and really attracts great energy in the world.
Caitlin: And that’s gonna set you apart from any competition that exists or will pop up in the future. It’s your personality and the fact that you also, it’s like edutainment. There’s a word for it, it’s called edutainment. You’re not educating, you’re also entertaining. And I think that’s what makes YouTube so cool, is that you can go on and enjoy yourself, and entertain yourself but also educate yourself. And I’ve only recently discovered the world of YouTube videos and different series and they’re all different themes. It’s like podcasts with video and so I’m really digging that and that’s what inspired me, I think to restart a podcast. It’s like I’m enjoying these podcasts so much and I bet the listeners of Work-At-Home Heroes would like, like to see a revamp so. So on the last episode as well, we talked about what things stood in your way to moving forward to get where you were at that point. And so I wanna talk to you a little bit about how that’s evolved. And we talk a lot about fear on the show because that holds so many people back in so many different ways. But the best way to disarm it is to talk about it. As we were actually talking about, before we even got on the show or we started recording, we were talking about how like those things can hold us back and they exist only in our minds and how we choose to deal with them is paramount. And we had talked about how sharing it with others diffuses it so much. And so that’s why we talked about it so much on the show. How has your fear evolved and getting over those fears and self doubts as your business has grown over the last few years?
Rick: Fears and self doubt, you know, they’re always there. They’re always there. And for the last 18 months, I can’t say that I’ve been as productive as I should have been on my YouTube channel. Actually, I went off and got involved in another business. A business partner and I bought a house. I spent four months renovating a house to realize at the end of the four months that I didn’t make any money and you know.
Caitlin: It hurts.
Rick: That’s very frustrating so, you know. And I thought, well, I could have invested the four months in the YouTube channel and my business and move that forward. I’ve come back to the YouTube channel. I spent the last couple of months, November and December 2019 really re-conceptualizing how I was gonna move the YouTube channel forward, how I was gonna move my business forward, what I needed to do, how I needed to be more of service to other people and increase my reach. Because what I do in terms of teaching people how to drive, there’s no reason I can’t have an international reach. And I’m thinking to myself, well, because everybody in the world drives.
Rick: And I’m thinking, now how do I do that? Right? I came back to it all. I came back to the YouTube channel and you know, like you said, you look at YouTube, you get entertained by people, you get attracted to certain people because they’re positive and they motivate us. And other people, you know, sometimes we can learn from the bad things in life too. I watch other channels and they’re completely negative. And, you know, I think that’s awful. But they’re still attracting an audience even though they’re negative, which mystifies me about life. But, you know, life is unfair and sometimes for some of us, that’s a good thing, which is weird.
Caitlin: Yeah, it absolutely is weird. And I do think some people feed on that negativity. And maybe before they find you, or they find the information in another place. And people are just looking for answers you know, and sometimes they find it in something that’s subpar on other levels and so–
Rick: People are totally looking for answers. And that’s the challenge of not just an online business, but any business, you know, whether it’s bricks or mortars or online is that, people are looking for answers and if you can answer their question, if you can solve their problem, then you are gonna be successful not just in business, but in your own personal life because our business is just us, right? It’s who we are as a person manifested into a business model. And you’re always working on stuff. You’re always being challenged by stuff. If you don’t wanna do that, if you don’t wanna be challenged, you don’t want to grow, and then probably you know, you wanna go to work every day and get paid by somebody else. You don’t wanna start a business, because a business is gonna challenge you whether you want to or not. And if you’re not gonna be challenged, if you don’t wanna be challenged, then your business, you’re just gonna abandon your business and move off and do something else.
Caitlin: For me, I think the challenge has been like I, especially in the last couple years, like I don’t wanna grow but it’s like, I don’t wanna go back to working for someone else ever. And so it’s kind of like a pick your heart thing. Pick your heart, choose your heart, which one is gonna be harder? Is sitting and having only two weeks of vacation a year, working for someone else day in and day out? Or, slogging through, even if you’re kicking and screaming like and growing and feeling like you’re moving at a snail’s pace but you don’t have to answer to anybody else. Making changes in your life to, you know, mitigate any mistakes that you need to take responsibility for, which is really difficult for me. And I’ll be the first to admit it. I’m like, I don’t like being wrong. I don’t like coming back and saying, “Oh man, I gotta fix this.” I don’t like taking responsibility. No, and I don’t think anybody loves it. That’s the thing. And anybody who tells you, anybody who tells you that they love taking responsibility for their own errors and mistakes and cleaning up their own messes is a big fat liar. And if they’re giving you business advice, don’t listen to them.
Rick: We don’t like adulting. That’s what I call it now. We don’t like adulting and we don’t like paying bills and we don’t like being responsible, you know, having responsibility, being accountable to other people in those types of things. It’s tough.
Caitlin: A good solution is to just make sure you’re friends with people that you can, know that you’re in the same boat with and be able to talk about like, “Oh man, I gotta go do this today.” And I think some commiseration is healthy, especially if you are doing it with the intention of moving forward even if, even on the days that you don’t feel like it. So let’s talk a little bit like what specific ways your life has improved since the last time we spoke? And I’m guessing it’s time, am I right about that?
Rick: Oh absolutely. Like I said, you know, I went off and renovated a house 18 months ago for four months. I left for four months. I wasn’t making any money renovating the house, but I still had this business in the background that was, you know, creating passive income. Time is probably the most valuable thing that I’ve gained from my business, right. I can travel when I want, I work when I want. As you know, Caitlin, we get to a spot where we, we really need to take hard stock of what we have. There are days that we think, oh, it’s really tough, and whatnot. And you know, I was watching a video of Brendon Burchard, and he’s talking about podcasts and he’s in this room full of audio equipment and photography equipment. There’s tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment in the room, but it’s like he said, “I didn’t start there. I started with my smartphone.” It’s the same thing as myself. I think I started on a laptop, a 2011 laptop that I used to render videos. It used to take all night for it to render the video. Now the computer I have renders it in less than a minute.
Caitlin: That’s so much better.
Rick: Yeah. You know I used to go to bed when I rendered a video and hoped and prayed that there was nothing that had to be edited or fixed on it the next morning. So I could upload it to YouTube. So you know, you need to sort of, you know, maybe take some notes about where you started. So when you get to that point where you wanna give up, you don’t want to do it, look at where you are, and be happy where you are. It’s like look at all the places I’ve come and time is incredible.
Caitlin: I think that’s a great reminder ’cause if you don’t remember where you started, it’s gonna be awfully hard to be able to measure any kind of progress. I think back to starting Proofread Anywhere and how resistant I was to that because I was comfortable. But at the same time I really wasn’t because clients would send me stuff all hours of the night and have unrealistic expectations. Then I wouldn’t have work for a few days and I would worry about it. And the proofreaders listening to this know that that’s, that’s just a natural cycle. But at the time, I didn’t know that. It would get under my skin and so that kind of stuff, controlled a lot of my emotions when I was just doing freelance proofreading. And so eventually when I kicked things into high gear with Proofread Anywhere, I thought, hey, this will give me more time and it’ll gives me an alternative source of income so I don’t have to depend just on my freelance services. ‘Cause I never intend to stop proofreading. When I started Proofread Anywhere, I never intended to stop. But after a while, like the proofreading time was cutting into the time I needed to grow the teaching side of things. One thing led to another and I had to cut it, but I think that’s, you’re right. It’s absolutely the time that you get that makes it all worth it and remembering, remembering where you came from, it allows you to be more grateful for where you are now, even though you know that it’s about the journey, not the destination. And so, the stuff that happened to you along the way that it’s like, oh my gosh, it’s not worth it. It’s not what I signed up for, like, learning to enjoy that, and know that it’s part of the process and that you’re never gonna be done is so important. Because if you’re just sitting there waiting to be done, you might have a week of sitting by the pool and loving it, but then you’re bored out of your gourd. Another big reason why I’m back on the podcast, is because I’m like, “Alright, I’m bored, I gotta do something or I’m gonna go, I’m gonna drive myself crazy.” I would drive myself crazy if I continued to, to just kind of stay in my hole. And so here I am back out. And those of you at home listening, Rick is my first episode of season two, so I’m really excited about it. So what would you say is the main thing that you attribute to the growth that you’ve seen in your visits since the last time you’re on the show? What’s been the most impact?
Rick: I think one of the main things is just being consistent. Even when I wasn’t doing videos on my YouTube channel, I was still once a week showing up and doing a live stream. Every Sunday I was doing a live stream.
Caitlin: That doesn’t take a lot of pre-planning either. You just show up with a topic and you’re able to ad lib, because that’s your expertise. And so it’s not like you’re spending even a ton of time, but the consistency adds up in the long haul.
Rick: And it totally does. But if you really wanna build and grow, then you gotta start putting up videos. You gotta start pumping out content and you got to market that content, right. And I think one of the other things, we were just talking about sort of the growth cycle of you know, yourself personally in relation to your business, is I think we get to a point with our income in our business that we become, we’re now comfortable. We’re making as much or more than what we were making when we were in a paid job, so we don’t do anymore. And we think, oh that’s fine. Because for us to move forward and to make more money, is to take us out of our comfort zone. Not just in terms of our business, but in terms of money. Because unfortunately, we have a lot of negative stereotypes around money. You know, filthy rich for example, and those types of things. And it prevents people from moving forward. It’s the same thing. You know, we go to a restaurant and we spend $50 on a dinner. Well, for some people that’s a lot of money. I pay $50 for a steak dinner, that’s a lot of money to me. So if I went to a restaurant and the steak dinner was $200, I’m out of my comfort zone now. So in my business, if I think a $200 steak is expensive, how am I gonna move my business to making $100,000, $200-500,000 a year? Because that’s a lot of money to me. So you see, there’s an ideological shift in how we think about business, how we think about money, and how we think about moving forward.
Caitlin: Yeah, absolutely. Your mindset has to grow along with your business. And I’ve been there too where it’s like, okay well, now I, this is making X number of dollars a month and that’s more than I had before, I’m good. But I think that’s just, our mindsets work against us because we do have those negative stereotypes and I never, I probably would have judged me and where I am in my life right now so hard just because now I have more money and I have more options. And I would have been so jealous of me and that’s not a good thing. But at the same time, it allows you to do more with the money that you have and it’s being able to contribute and give back or you’ll travel more. There’s so many more options that you have and the same, but your same fears follow you around. And so me coming from having a scarcity mindset and being told to save, save, save and it’s not about how much you earn, it’s how much you save. And then having gone through the divorce which is extremely expensive for me. And you know, and I’m the sole owner of my company. Then there’s a lot of nerve wracking stuff that comes along with that. And realizing that you still deal with the same fears you had. And just because you have more money those fears don’t go away. And so it’s a completely different way of looking at things as you continue to grow. But moving forward and continuing to reach out and not forgetting where you came from and surrounding yourself with people that are on the same or similar path as you will help you keep your sanity. And yeah, that was a big reason why I think, starting with folks that I interviewed in the past coming back and seeing how you guys have made progress, well, it’s helping me just as much as it’s helping the listeners at home catch up with you guys because, so much can happen in just two years. And even though it might feel like you’re not moving where you are right now, you’re gonna move. And sometimes you’re just, sometimes you’re just floating, and God or the universe’s energy that makes all things happen is pushing you or just letting it flow for a while. And so you feel like you’re free falling, but you’re not. You’re always safe.
Rick: One of the quotes of Bill Gates right? Most people underestimate, completely overestimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do in five years.
Caitlin: I love that quote. And that’s so true. I mean, and even when I started Proofread Anywhere, I said, “Oh, I give this six months.” And within six months fortunately, it had really started to grow and so I stuck with it, but that’s not typical. And so if that hadn’t happened, who knows where I’d be? Because I would have quit and thought that it didn’t work but — I know some friends you know, a lot of listeners might know of them as well, Rob and Melissa over at Flea Market Flipper, where they started back in 2015 with their online business and they were flipping. And then now they’re teaching other people how to do it. And they had some periods of time where they were like, “This ain’t working.” But now they’re back in full swing and they’ve found their groove. And they’ve learned so much over the last five years and I’m so proud of them. And I’m just so glad to see they didn’t give up because, that’s really all it is. Like as long as you don’t give up ever, you cannot fail. And that goes for any part of your life, that goes for any part of your life. If there’s a will, like that determination I think will manifest itself even in the littlest of ways. And then it’ll grow from there. But if you just shut down and you’re like, “I’m not doing this anymore, I’m gonna go back and nose down and do a day job where somebody else is in control of my income.” And you’ve got a whole ‘nother set of anxieties, then that’ll work against you as well. So well, it’s been great to catch up with you. I want to make sure that we stay within our time parameter. So I wanna make sure that we get all the questions that I wanna ask answered. And one of those, when we talked about, like times where you felt like you wanted to quit, you briefly mentioned that. What is it that kept you going through those times that you felt that “Oh, my gosh, I just wanna I quit.”
Rick: Well, you know, we do, but there’s something inside of us, those of us who start a business, there’s something inside of us that keeps us going, that we know that we can help people, we can be of service, and we can do better. Not only that, I mean, we live in an amazing time. Absolutely amazing time with the internet and computers and the things that you can do on computers now is phenomenal. I mean, you are somewhere in the United States, I’m in Canada. I mean, we can create a podcast and help people out and share information on the internet. And it’s the same thing as what I do on YouTube. I can reach an international audience. I mean, YouTube is, has a billion, 2 billion unique users. That is an incredible audience that you can tap into. It is an incredible number of people that you can help from your home.
Caitlin: And for free.
Rick: And for free. You gotta invest in some equipment and those types of things, but I mean to get started, I mean, you can start with your phone on Instagram. People are doing incredible things on Instagram, with their phone. Very little investment in equipment so, you know. And this isn’t something that you could have done 20, 30 years ago. But it’s just absolutely incredible. And so in terms of giving up, don’t give up. Because information is the new currency. Information is currency. And it’s so easy to disseminate information; you just have to be consistent and get over the starting point. You need to market what you’re doing. There are so many tools that will tell you how to market your business. I just recently learned in terms of trying to improve my, finding my website in Google. It’s called search engine optimization SEO, that you know, Google, you type in a question into Google, Google will give you all the answers that you need to all the questions you need to answer. So for example, you type in, you know, how to drive a car for beginners, it will say, “People also ask these questions.” And then down to the bottom, it’ll give you one other things that people typed in for the search query. If you can start answering those questions in your videos, in your posts, you know, in your podcast, you are going to get traction. Eventually you will get traction. And it doesn’t take very long to get traction, you know, six months, a year, as you said. Be consistent. Look for those questions. And you know, in terms of marketing, I’ll give you the funniest example of marketing. My kids were watching the movie Chicken Run. Are you familiar with that?
Caitlin: Yeah, wow, yeah, that’s an old, it was not old but–
Rick: It’s a very old movie, It’s funny as heck. It’s like the woman, the crusty old woman who is, you know, just hates the chickens and hates her husband. She’s like, “I am sick and tired of being poor.” And she looks down and there’s a pile of mail on her desk and she’s kind of pushes it away. And the magazine, right on the cover of the magazine it says, “Are you sick and tired of being poor?” And I’m like, there it is. That’s marketing. If you can target your marketing to the exact question that your audience is asking, you are gonna be successful. Because you are being of service. You are answering their question. You’re solving their problem. You’re solving the very thing that keeps them up at night, makes them anxious, creates their fears and stops them from doing things. Everybody wins.
Caitlin: Yeah, it’s so much about solving their problem and not — We talk about this on the show all the time. And in my book, we talk about it and then within Work-At-Home School and the heroes community. If you’re gonna make this about you making money versus you solving a problem, you’ve got it backwards. You solve the problem and then you make money as a result of that. But you’ve got to — be valuable. And it’s all you know, interchangeable terms, being valuable, being of service, solving people’s problems. You are valuable because you can solve problems. And that’s why you make money, not you make money just because, you know.
Rick: And if you’re solving the problem. You know, so many people are reluctant to sell. You’re not selling. You’re helping somebody to buy something that’s going to solve their problem. And if you can do that, that I believe is the key to success. Because you’re not being sleazy; you’re simply helping them out to solve a problem. And in response, they’re giving you money because, you can’t be of service to people and keep food on the table and keep the lights on without getting paid. You got to get paid. We all have to make money.
Caitlin: Yeah, a 100%. When you’re making it about them instead of about you, then it takes the pressure off of you as well. And it is easy for, I think a lot of people don’t like selling because they don’t like being sold to. Because not everybody is great at it. And so they’re afraid they’re gonna come off like those annoying salespeople. And I totally get that. And that holds me back as well because I get sold too, all the time to the point where I don’t answer voice messages or go on LinkedIn or anything because of that. And so I don’t wanna be like that with someone else but that’s where you being confident in your skill and really knowing your audience and how to reach them and their pain points, is gonna set you apart from someone who’s just trying to sell something ’cause they wanna make money. If you really, really, really understand the problems that you’re trying to solve, then it’s going to be very easy for clients to wanna pay you to solve that problem ’cause, it’s a real problem. It’s a pain and it does keep them up at night. And I don’t know where I’d be without my team of freelancers. I think we’ve got, there’s nine of us, including me. And if you count my bookkeeper and CPA, then there’s 11 of us. I don’t know where I’d be without this amazing team of people that are solving problems for me, especially after having, I had to go through the last year and a half. It’s been a mess. I’m proof in the pudding that small business owners, even small business owners like me, hire people who work remotely to solve problems and proof in the pudding of how valuable it is. And you are proof as well because there’s, everybody drives like you said, and so, what you’re doing is extremely valuable.
Rick: And just going back to the magic of the internet, you know, somebody was, I don’t know, one of my live streams the other day, we were talking about Duolingo and somebody’s “Oh Duolingo is crap.” And I said to them, “you know, maybe it’s not the best product out there in terms of learning another language.” But I said, “You know, in combination with that app, you can go on the internet, and you can hire a French tutor or a Spanish tutor, or whatever language you’re learning, and you can have, you can learn another language from the comfort of your own home.” And it’s what you do, right? In terms of transcription, you can just get in touch with, you’ll send the stuff through the internet. I mean, we couldn’t do that stuff 20 years ago.
Caitlin: Yeah, we’d be mailing giant packages of documents and waiting for a few days and things getting lost. And yeah, absolutely.
Rick: Like somebody said to me the other day, they said, “Oh, can you fax that?” And I was like, I’m like —
Caitlin: That’s not a small thing.
Rick: I’m afraid I can’t. I live in 2020. I really can’t.
Caitlin: I can email you a PDF, which is way faster, clearer and all the above. Yeah, that’s super funny. Well, we’re just about out of time and so I wanna give our audience a good way to reach out to you. You’re in the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook group. What’s your website and best way that students or listeners of the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast can get in touch with you to maybe follow up with you on something they heard in this episode?
Rick: Yeah, so they can email me, [email protected] And then my website is smartdrivetest.com
Caitlin: Perfect. Well it’s super, super easy. Very awesome to catch up with you. And again, if you listen to this without listening to Rick’s first episode, I can hear the confidence in your voice too, Rick. You’ve definitely, I mean you were confident then, and now it’s just, things have grown so incredibly much and that, putting in that time adds to your confidence, no doubt.
Rick: And I think fake it till you make it, is very true in what we do. You have to have confidence. You can’t be, you know, I mean, as I said before, there’s an audience out there for people that are negative. There are audiences for that. But don’t be that person. If I can leave you with one thing, be positive, bring the sunshine to other people. And if you do that, you are gonna be way more successful, way more successful. Because people want, people are attracted to positive energy. And you can see all kinds of people in the world who are observers, Zig Ziglar, Brendon Burchard, and all those people, Sean Cannell, they’re positive people. And you want to be around them, you wanna listen to them. You wanna be involved in what they’re doing, ’cause they’re positive, positive people.
Caitlin: Positive and motivating. No excuses to stuff. And that’s exactly what we’re aiming for with this show and just showing people with the guests that we have on that you can do it and you can start right where you are now, and take steps to not be perfect, right? ‘Cause nothing, no life situation is ever gonna be perfect. There’s always gonna be something to complain about. But getting to a point where at least you have more that’s under your control and you have more options. And it sounds like you are, you have a lot more options now and I’m so happy for you. Thank you again so much for coming back on the show, Rick.
Rick: Oh, you’re most welcome. Thank you for having me.
Caitlin: Well, thanks, guys. I sure hope you’re enjoying the Work-At-Home Heroes podcast. I sure enjoy hosting it. I would love it if you leave us a review if you’ve been enjoying it. And of course you are all invited to join the Work-At-Home Heroes Facebook community, where we will continue the conversation about working at home and finding your fit. Thanks again and we’ll talk to you next time.